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Status 580
You Status guys out there, do any of you have permanent backstays on your boats? And perhaps, Rob you could tell me if the original design had a backstay.
R.Earley
R.Earley3-Mar-2006    Edit    Delete 
Re: Status 580
The origonal van De Stadt drawings showed the shrouds well aft but NO backstay, and I doubt if there is clearance on mainsail to fit one. ( See the photos in the status section on this site)
Rob4-Mar-2006    Edit    Delete 
Re: Status 580
Thanks Rob,
But I notice in the photo on the status page the boat has fittings for a permanent backstay, and my boat has marks where such fittings have been removed, and I wondered if this may have been a contributing factor to my sagging forestay problem which is much improved after moving the shrouds 6 inches further aft and extending the spreaders, but is still not entirely fixed, although I must say that the boat points very well.You are correct in saying there would not be enough clearenceat the masthead, as I have checked this out, It would require a crane to provide the neccessary clearence.


R.Earley5-Mar-2006    Edit    Delete 
Re: Status 580
Is your headsail cliped to the forestay ? and how do you tension it?
If your mast is very flexable it may buckle under compression !
Rob6-Mar-2006    Edit    Delete 
Re: Status 580
Just wondering if running backstays could have been used for racing and removed for cruising.
Greg 6-Mar-2006    Edit    Delete 
Re: Status 580
Jib Is not hanked to forestay,is wire luffed and on a furler,and is tensioned by winch. The mast is not very flexible, but I have noticed a tendency to sideways bend when I really crank on the pressure. this is easily controlled however with the lower shrouds.
The position of the old backstay fittings is on the transom exactly as in the photo on the 580 page, indicating a permanent backstay not runners, however as there is no crane at the mast head, and not enough clearance for a permanent backstay, I'm wondering if the original mainsail may have been smaller than this one. I have heard a rumour that some boats were fitted with bigger rigs, and I wonder if this was one of them. The masthead fitting, while not a crane, has provision for attaching something above the sheave, presumably the original backstay?
R.Earley6-Mar-2006    Edit    Delete 
Re: Status 580
The system that you have where the tension of the jib luff is taken up on a halyard never was very sucessful, as the compression on the mast is greatly increased, and there is twice the length of wire to stretch, also any movement of the mast makes the wire slacker.
It was much better to have the top swivell attached directly to the mast, then take up the tension at the bottom with a small tackle,highfield lever, or winch.
The only problem is that the mast must come down to remove the jib, but you would find that luff tension would be more consistant and your mast would behave.
I dont believe that a back stay would solve your problem. It would also help when on the wind in a breeze to either work your traveller and keep the main sheeted in hard, or set the traveller wider than normal and keep the sheet on hard. You may be surprised at the difference it makes.
Rob7-Mar-2006    Edit    Delete 
Re: Status 580
Thanks Rob, I had that jib tensioning system on my R.L.unfortunately it is not applicable to this boat, as 1, I don't drop the mast, and 2 I don't think I could work it with a jib furler which we find necessary for efficient spinnaker operation. We do work the traveller as opposed to the mainsheet on the wind and it certainly does help.
R.Earley8-Mar-2006    Edit    Delete 
Re: Status 580
Thanks Rob, I had that jib tensioning system on my R.L.unfortunately it is not applicable to this boat, as 1, I don't drop the mast, and 2 I don't think I could work it with a jib furler which we find necessary for efficient spinnaker operation. We do work the traveller as opposed to the mainsheet on the wind and it certainly does help.
Greg Alward25-Jul-2006    Edit    Delete 
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Since I discovered this web site a couple of weeks ago I have been busy reading all articles contained. I am surprised and impressed with ALL articles see mine on the boat register. Two years ago we installed a new non tapered mast and rigging to "the Lemon" #11, built a flat top pyramid mounted to the interior floor of the hull, cut a slot in the hump deck for mast, new spreaders are longer pushing the cap shrouds out by about 50mm, installed lower stays, to eliminate side ways movement top of mast kickers are installed with small spreaders and the main item is and an adjustable backstay connected to a 100mm crane extended aft at top of mast. All haliyards are internal and exit the mast at the base thorugh turning bloks and extend to the aft of the center board case for the helmsman to operate, crew handle the pole, spinnaker launch and sheeting. There are two spinnaker haliyards, mast head and intermediate for large and normal spinnakers. All of this enables us to fly Etchell22 spinnakers downwind with breeze up to 20 knts and close hauled reaching up to 10knts of breeze. We have not had a problem since modifications with any rigging, hull stresses etc, since firends John Savage and Gary Sheard donated a spimmaker each and observed the 20 year old original mast bending at the top flying an Etchell kite reaching in a light breeze. All this may sound over the top but we are having fun. Stay tuned to see some photos of the Lemon.
Greg Alward25-Jul-2006    Edit    Delete 

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