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flight details
this has been a laugh reading als waffle i was wondering who was going to crack first .james you are so patient I new rob would have to say something sooner than later and Al if you could list any overseas flight details as i would have to jump if i was seated next to you.
kevin troy24-Jul-2004    Edit    Delete 
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Kevin

Give up the one liners and tell us what went on in factory floor. Only you can tell James and Greg and the rest of us how close to the standard the totally standard and very standard RL 24 mark 4 DUMPTRUCK was.


Alastair Russell26-Jul-2004    Edit    Delete 
dumptruck
I know i will be corrected by the boss if i am wrong.There would have been no more than four hull moulds used in making the 24s in all,at the two location on the gold coast. four layups, hand laid(i know rob used to like to do his own boats as you can control where you want strengh and weight) gun laid (if you are serious at trying to build boats as a business) sandwich and kevlar one is weight the other strengh. At the end of the day there is not much in it. I have been lucky to sail with rob.barry arnold, mal kamp a host of nsw helmsman in totalling over 20 odd different RLS and it still comes back to the bloke hanging onto the stick and a good crew(specially the blokes at the front) Thirty tacks (roll) you get done by thirty seconds thats crew. Peter yeomans was no better than any other in the last nearly 40 years, he was able to think outside the square. lorna dee,street car ,calibre and dumptruck where only stages of the things he wanted to achieve,i think thats called developement which why we are still going and other classes have died. National champions over the years we tend to talk about boats not people, forget about Coolabah,sundance and sahsa and give credit to barry arnold,warren walters,ken hacket and in more recent times simon as in these peoples cases you could give them a hankerchief and a raft and they woud achieve the same result.
kevin troy 28-Jul-2004    Edit    Delete 
Thanks Kevin
I agree with what you say. I think I have enjoyed the rebuilding and the modifying of Para Handy just as much as the racing side. I do not remember Calibre but I have raced against the other boats. I remember Dumptruck as having two CBH ratings and when she sailed as a true rl she had a bit of spare mast showing I understand she did not have an inner moulding.

I crewed for Dick Voller in Big Deal in a Marley Point when Peter Yeomans had Peter Holms (foils) and Mike Coxon ( North Sails) on board Dump Truck (I rembered he had the boat stripped bare and the crew rationed to 6 beers for the weekend!!). She was entered as a modified and we were real pleased that it was dawn the next morning before they got past us. It was our good compass course in the thick fog at Hollands Landing that did it and I remember hearing the other boats crashing into the row of pylons there. Peter is a top hand and I think he must get the prize for his R and D work on the rl 24. I notice Simon and the Rainey boys have the same rig twenty odd years later. He moved over to Adams 10 racing at Lake Maquarie. Did you make your own drop keels for the mark 4 or did you buy them in from Holm Bros?
Alastair Russell28-Jul-2004    Edit    Delete 
r&d
holm bros keel and rudder blade. i chewed through 4 wing masts before going back to the 18ft no 4 rig stick.The wing mast is superior with 120mm of un measured sail area but only under 10knots even with dyaform wire the moment you go off the wind you know you are going to wear it off. The end of the day the boat is not wide enough without the help of traps. Thats a name from the past, peter holmes sold up after making foils for all the 18ft fleets in oz and started building glider planes. When he offered to take me up, saying he adds water to the wings for more speed in the dives i left very quickly :
kevin troy 28-Jul-2004    Edit    Delete 
r&d
holm bros keel and rudder blade. i chewed through 4 wing masts before going back to the 18ft no 4 rig stick.The wing mast is superior with 120mm of un measured sail area but only under 10knots even with dyaform wire the moment you go off the wind you know you are going to wear it . The end of the day the boat is not wide enough without the help of traps. Thats a name from the past, peter holmes sold up after making foils for all the 18ft fleets in oz and started building glider planes. When he offered to take me up, saying he adds water to the wings for more speed in the dives i left very quickly :
kevin troy 28-Jul-2004    Edit    Delete 
And now for the BIG question.
Kevin, will you be bringing Slippery to Paynesville this Christmas?
James Shannon29-Jul-2004    Edit    Delete 
Over Rotating Rig
Kevin

I used to race on a Prout shearwater 3 catamaran in the early sixties with a flatish wooden wing mast which we over rotated. She even had a furling wooden 4 inch wide luff spar on the foresail. The introduction of the aluminium mast put the kybosh on that rig.

I am aware that there is no restriction on the depth of the boom in the rl24 class rules and I have noticed that both Peter Yeomans and Simon Walsh have taken advantage of this (as you say) free sail area.

I had a rudder and blade made by Holm bros for Para Handy and the delivery was delayed somewhat!! I think their father had to either make it or finish it off. A year later I found out that at that time the brothers were both locked away in an old windowless warehouse in Balmain building the plug for Australia 2 secret keel!

I have always said the rl 24 is not a development class and that it should be called a restricted class. The eighteen footer is a development class because it has only two rules 1. The boat shall be 18 foot long and 2. The race shall start on Saturday at 2pm. I get quite annoyed with other trailer yacht owners who denigrate the RL 24 saying the 'RL is only a development class' when their own boats do not have any class rules or even an association! I used to refer to their boats as 'floating caravans'! You can only cram on so much down wind sail area to a short and fat floating caravan before it becomes unseaworthy in anything over 12 knots of wind.

I also feel that there is no such thing as a one design trailer yacht in Australia because the person who owns the moulds owns the design rights to that class. They can build anything they want and in the prime years of trailer yacht racing in Australia all trailer yacht companies did just that. Most of them were just trying to catch up with the successful top selling RL 24.

I used to race a flying fifteen in UK in the late sixties ( No734 and her name was Tiki!). I was forced to buy a new mainsail with 6 inches cut off the foot when the designer Uffa Fox took legal action against the class association. The court ruled that the design belonged to Uffa and the class association could not change his design or sail area. He said that he designed the boat for old dinghy sailers and or husband and wife teams and not for young fit blokes. If Uffa was here today he would have restricted the Rainey boys to RL 24s!


Alastair Russell29-Jul-2004    Edit    Delete 

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